Oracle considered buying RIM and Palm, Ellison says

Larry Ellison revealed the plans under cross-examination in Oracle's trial against Google

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Ellison appeared relaxed when he took the stand, wearing a dark gray suit and a tie. During a break in his testimony he talked and laughed with Oracle's legal team, who occupy a table close to the jury. Google's legal team is across the room.

After being sworn in, Ellison told the court that he was born in New York City, attended public schools in Chicago and founded Oracle in 1977 as its CEO and head of engineering.

The trial is a complex one, and Oracle used part of Ellison's testimony to explain how Java includes a programming language, the Java APIs (application programming interfaces) and Java class libraries.

"Is it necessary to use the APIs to use the Java programming language?" Boies, the Oracle attorney, asked Ellison.

"Absolutely not," Ellison said.

Robert Van Nest, an attorney for Google, objected on the grounds that Ellison was providing "expert testimony," but the judge overruled him and allowed the response.

The answer to Boies' question cuts to the heart of Oracle's copyright claim against Google. The Java programming language is not covered by copyright, and Google argues that the APIs are an essential part of Java and therefore cannot be copyrighted either. Oracle disagrees.

Ellison also testified that writing APIs (application programming interfaces) is "arguably one of the most difficult things we do at Oracle."

Companies can choose from three types of Java licenses, Ellison told the jury, the open-source Gnu Public License, a specification license and a commercial license. Nokia, LG and Samsung, for example, all pay for a commercial license.

"The only company I know that hasn't taken any of these licenses is Google," Ellison said.

Under cross-examination, Van Nest pressed Ellison about Oracle's own plans to build a smartphone.

Wasn't it true, Van Nest asked, that Ellison met with Google Chairman Eric Schmidt, at Ellison's home in 2010, and proposed a joint development project to put Oracle's Java virtual machine in Android, in place of Google's, because Oracle's was faster and more efficient?

Ellison denied it was a "joint" project. "I said they could take our version of Java and put it in Android. That is not a joint project," he said.

At that point, Van Nest played video testimony from Ellison recorded earlier in which Ellison describes the work as a "joint development project." Ellison had proposed a similar project to Page some months later, Van Nest reminded him.

However, no agreement was reached, Van Nest said, and Oracle's next step was to file its lawsuit.

The trial continues Wednesday, when Oracle will call Page to give further testimony in court. The trial is expected to last eight weeks.

James Niccolai covers data centers and general technology news for IDG News Service. Follow James on Twitter at @jniccolai. James's e-mail address is


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