Video: Steve Jobs one-on-one, the '95 interview

He was already a superstar when he recorded this interview

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Part 8: The decline of Apple (circa 1995)

Mincing few words, Jobs talks about his ouster from Apple by then-CEO John Sculley and how his onetime company had lost direction by the mid-1990s.

"When I left Apple, it was a $2 billion company. We were Fortune 300 and something. We were 350. When the Mac was introduced, we were a billion-dollar corporation; so Apple grew from nothing to $2 billion while I was there. That's a pretty high growth rate. It grew five times since I left, basically on the back of the Macintosh.

"I think what's happened since I left in terms of growth rate has been trivial compared with what it was like when I was there. What ruined Apple wasn't growth. What ruined Apple was values. John Sculley ruined Apple, and he ruined it by bringing a set of values to the top of Apple which were corrupt and corrupted some of the top people who were there, drove out some of the ones who were not corruptible, and brought in more corrupt ones and paid themselves collectively tens of millions of dollars and cared more about their own glory and wealth than they did about what built Apple in the first place -- which was making great computers for people to use."

Next: Apple's early adventures in politics

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