Latest on HP: News, Features, Opinions and More  Powerful thin clients could turn into PC alternatives
Thin clients introduced this week by Dell and Hewlett-Packard have faster processor than existing thin clients as well as high-definition graphics capabilities, so they could be alternatives to traditional PCs as computing continues moving to the cloud. HP hopes Envy Rove 20-inch 'tablet' can boost Windows 8
Windows 8 has not found wide adoption among desktop users, so HP has announced a new portable all-in-one and lowered the price of touch PCs so users can take advantage of the operating system. HP $399 touchscreen laptop breaks price barrier
Hewlett-Packard has introduced a new wave of Envy and Pavilion thin and light laptops, including an 11.6-inch touchscreen model priced aggressively at $399. HP profit falls 32% as PC and server sales decline
Hewlett-Packard reported a 32% drop in profit for its second fiscal quarter, due partly to slower sales of PCs and servers. The whole enchilada: Integrated compute platforms steamroll across IT
Vendors are rebuilding the mainframe with converged infrastructure, collapsed kit or integrated compute platforms -- whatever you want to call it. And customers are loving it. Senate report: Apple claims subsidiaries with no taxing jurisdiction
Apple has set up three foreign subsidiaries that the company claims are not resident in any nation for taxing purposes, in an effort to avoid paying tens of billions of dollars in taxes to the U.S. and other countries, according to a new report from a U.S. Senate subcommittee. From virtual reality to non-conductive liquids, data centers innovate
Google I/O is getting most of the attention this week, but a conference at the other end of Silicon Valley showed there's plenty of innovation going on in the word of data centers, too. Lenovo and Apple grew as bottom fell out of PC market in Western Europe
PC shipments in Western Europe declined by 20.5% during the first quarter: The only vendors to see shipments grow were Lenovo and Apple, which returned to the top five. HP brings Android to laptops with SlateBook X2
Hewlett-Packard has given the "Android treatment" to its latest laptop-tablet hybrid, which is called SlateBook X2 and has a detachable 10-inch screen that can independently function as a tablet. HP updates IT automation suite for cloud deployments
Further pursuing its strategy to help enterprises move workloads to hosted environments, Hewlett-Packard has updated a number of its IT management tools with more capabilities to work with public and private clouds. HP Q&A: Converged Cloud is company's chief initiative
Saar Gillai, named head of Hewlett-Packard's cloud operations in January, is on the hot seat. What CSC Is Doing Right (and Wrong) In Its Turnaround Efforts
In the last 15 months, Computer Science Corp. CEO Mike Lawrie has handpicked his executive team and streamlined the CSC product line. This is a good start, but if CSC wants to emulate the turnaround efforts of IBM and Apple, the company should look for a formidable CFO and step up its marketing efforts. Fusion-io CEO resigns, is replaced by former HP executive Robison
Fusion-io President and CEO David Flynn has resigned and will be replaced by Shane Robison, the former CTO of Hewlett-Packard. Review: HP 3PAR conjures powerful storage magic
HP 3PAR StoreServe 7400 combines high scalability, high performance, and a big bag of tricks for easing storage management HP looks to design a reversal of PC fortunes
Hewlett-Packard is barely holding on to the top spot in the laptop and desktop market, but hopes a renewed vigor regarding product design will help reverse the fortunes of its PC business. BMC set to go private in $6.9 billion deal
BMC has agreed to be acquired by a private investment consortium headed by Bain Capital and Golden Capital, in a deal worth about US$6.9 billion. BMC going private in $6.9 billion deal
BMC has agreed to sell itself to a private investment consortium headed up by Bain Capital and Golden Gate Capital in a deal worth approximately US$6.9 billion. HP announces new ProBooks, including touchscreen model
Hewlett-Packard on Monday kicked off a series of upcoming PC announcements with new ProBook 400 series laptops, including a 15.6-inch model with a touchscreen. HP creates Converged Systems unit, realigns server ops
Hewlett-Packard on Monday said it has created a business unit that will deal in purpose-built systems based on specific applications and usage models, and also announced the reorganization of its server unit. HP ships $169 Slate 7 Android tablet
Hewlett-Packard on Friday started shipping its $169.99 Slate 7 tablet with Android 4.1, which signals the company's reentry into the consumer tablet market after the TouchPad imploded in 2011. HP could bury TouchPad fiasco with $169 Slate 7 tablet
Hewlett-Packard in the next few days will ship the US$169 Slate 7, the company's first product for the consumer tablet market since the spectacular failure of the WebOS-based TouchPad in 2011. Seven Ways to Get Your CEO Fired
It's hard to train good CEOs. It's much easier to set them up for failure. Follow these seven steps and your chief executive officer is bound to be out of a job sooner or later. Oracle-HP court battle over Itanium delayed indefinitely
Oracle and Hewlett-Packard's ongoing legal battle over software for Itanium has run into another delay, and this time there's no telling how long it will last. HP to customize Moonshot offerings, offer ARM and Xeon chips
Hewlett-Packard in the future will offer customized Moonshot servers at different prices and also offer configurations with ARM and Intel Xeon processors. HP's first Moonshot server with Atom processors priced at $62K
Hewlett-Packard's new densely packed low-power Moonshot server has finally come out of the company's labs and is available to customers in the U.S. and Canada starting at $61,875. Network heavy hitters to pool SDN efforts in OpenDaylight project
Software-defined networking, a set of technologies to help networks better adapt to user needs with less manual effort, may at last be getting the common foundation it has needed for interoperability and efficient development. From pretexting to Autonomy: A timeline of HP management changes
It's been a turbulent decade at Hewlett-Packard, with board members and CEOs resigning or being ousted for all manner of colorful reasons, including strategic missteps, accusations of spying on journalists and alleged sexual harassment. HP Chairman Ray Lane steps down amid discontent over Autonomy
Hewlett-Packard's Ray Lane is giving up his role as chairman amid ongoing shareholder disapproval of HP's troubled Autonomy acquisition. Muted excitement for latest Toshiba Android tablet
Shaw reviews Toshiba's Excite 10 SE tablet and HP's EliteBook Folio 9470m Ultrabook. Muted excitement for latest Toshiba Android tablet
Shaw reviews Toshiba's Excite 10 SE tablet and HP's EliteBook Folio 9470m Ultrabook. HP to unveil Project Moonshot hyperscale servers next week
Hewlett-Packard next week will unveil a class of hyperscale servers as part of Project Moonshot, the company's attempt to build densely packed low-power servers that can scale performance quickly. Despite Schmidt comments, merger of Chrome OS, Android still possible, analyst says
Although Google Chairman Eric Schmidt said this week that Chrome OS and Android will remain separate operating systems "for a very, very long time," one analyst still thinks the two will merge. Oracle's storage business falters as market slows in Q4, says Gartner
Oracle suffered the most as growth in the storage market continued to slow during the end of 2012. Hewlett-Packard, Dell and IBM also struggled while EMC emerged as the big winner. HP board survives confidence vote, but only barely
Hewlett-Packard's shareholders have voted to reelect its entire board of directors, despite opposition from investors who want some members held accountable for recent troubles at HP, including its ill-fated acquisition of Autonomy. HP's Itanium secrets cost us $95 million, Oracle says
Hewlett-Packard misled IT buyers about plans to phase out its Itanium server platform and in the process stole potential sales from Oracle and other rivals, costing Oracle about US$95 million in profits, the company plans to testify in a jury trial starting next month. HP eyes $4B damages claim in Itanium case against Oracle
Hewlett-Packard may seek damages of US$4 billion to $4.2 billion from Oracle in its lawsuit over support for Itanium server architecture. Google pays $40K to 'Pinkie Pie' for partial hack of Chrome OS
Google today said it had paid a researcher $40,000 for a partial exploit of Chrome OS at its Pwnium 3 hacking contest two weeks ago. Wall Street Beat: Markets advance but tech trends stay stable
While U.S. markets have surged lately, with the Dow Jones Industrial Average hitting milestone after milestone in 10 straight days of advances, a relatively modest increase in the value of IT company shares reflects the reality that a rising tide will not lift all boats in the tech sector. The new faces of tablets
Try this, try that and see what entices customers. That's the mantra for tablet makers that are experimenting with new tablet features in the elusive quest to deliver the next big hit. Adobe patches Flash, but doesn't get around to Pwn2Own bug
Adobe today patched Flash Player, the fifth time this year it's updated the vulnerability-plagued software. HP's Autonomy acquisition under investigation in the UK
Hewlett-Packard's purchase of Autonomy is under investigation by the U.K. Serious Fraud Office, the company said in a regulatory filing ahead of its annual meeting where there are expected to be challenges to the re-election of Chairman Ray Lane and two board members. Sepaton releases upgrades to high-end storage appliance
Sepaton today announced its latest update to its enterprise-class data backup appliance, which almost doubles performance and increases connectivity by 2X over its predecessor. Pwn2Own hacking contest winds down after paying a record $480K
A day after researchers hacked Chrome and Firefox at the Pwn2Own contest, Google and Mozilla patched their browsers Thursday. Researchers rake in $280K at Pwn2Own hacking contest
Research teams Wednesday cracked Microsoft's Internet Explorer 10 (IE10), Google's Chrome and Mozilla's Firefox at the Pwn2Own hacking contest, pulling in more than $250,000 in prizes. HP's ARM servers to get Texas Instruments chips
Hewlett-Packard's effort to build ARM servers will get a boost from Texas Instruments, which will provide chips based on the latest ARM processor design. New SPEC tool to ID most energy-efficient servers
SPEC, the standards body for performance benchmarks, has released a new toolkit that should help customers choose the most energy-efficient server for the workloads they need to run. HP halfway through restructuring, 15K layoffs to go
HP has reached the halfway point in its restructuring, with 15,000 employees left to cut to meet its layoff target by the end of next year, according to CEO Meg Whitman. Apple, BlackBerry, others sued over security patents
Security company Maz Encryption Technologies sued seven large technology companies for allegedly infringing on several of its security patents. The suits target security technology used in the iPhone and iPad as well as the BlackBerry Enterprise Solution, among other products. HP shareholder revolt targets two directors, auditor over Autonomy purchase
An investor advisor group is asking shareholders of Hewlett-Packard not to re-elect two long-standing board members and to oppose the ratification of the company's audit firm in connection with the continuing controversy over the company's purchase of Autonomy. HP says more tablets coming as it puts bad past behind
Hewlett-Packard made some noise at Mobile World Congress show with its new Slate 7-inch tablet and then the sale of webOS assets, but the company is looking to put past distractions behind and will release more tablets in the future, the company said. HP sells webOS to LG for smart TVs
Hewlett-Packard has sold some of the rights to its webOS mobile operating system to LG Electronics for use in smart television sets made by the South Korean electronics firm. HP lets loose Android-based Slate 7 tablet starting at $169
Hewlett-Packard has reentered the consumer tablet market with the Slate 7, an Android-based device with a 7-inch screen that will start at US$169. Wall Street Beat: Tech stocks rise despite HP, Dell PC sales declines
Even though PC giants Hewlett-Packard and Dell reported significant year-over-year sales declines, tech stocks, buoyed by signs of confidence from other IT vendors, started to rise again Friday after slumping for most of the week. HP brings sizzle to Windows Storage Server
The HP StoreEasy 5530 puts serious muscle behind Windows file serving, Hyper-V virtualization, and SQL Server workloads HP's first 'Project Moonshot' server due next quarter
Hewlett-Packard's first low-power server for hyperscale computing environments, developed under a project it calls Moonshot, will go on sale next quarter, CEO Meg Whitman said on Thursday. HP's Whitman says 'no plans to break up the company'
Hewlett-Packard's CEO has dismissed persistent rumors that the company might break itself up in a move that could create more value for shareholders. HP reports drop in profit but says turnaround effort making progress
Hewlett-Packard reported a drop in profit for the last quarter as printer and PC sales both declined, but said cost-cutting measures the company announced last year are starting to pay off. Microsoft enlists Dell to push Office 365 on new PCs
Some major computer makers are pushing Office 365 with their new PCs, but others have stuck with a more traditional bundling tactic of including a factory-installed, single-license trial. HP quadruples virtual machines in new blade
Hewlett-Packard is set to deliver a new blade that will quadruple the virtual desktops that can be deployed from one server compared to the company's previous offerings. PC epicenter moving to Asia as Dell, HP regroup
Asia is fast becoming the epicenter of the PC market as Chinese and Taiwanese companies challenge the turf occupied for more than a decade by prominent U.S. PC makers Hewlett-Packard and Dell, whose laptop and desktop shipments are stumbling. Intel cuts back Itanium plans, raising questions about chip's future
Intel has scaled back plans for the next version of Itanium in a move that raises questions about the future of the 64-bit server chip, used primarily in Hewlett-Packard's high-end Integrity servers. HP Elitebook Folio: Delivering the business goods
Business travelers willing to give Windows 8 a spin have a noteworthy option in the HP Folio Elitebook Folio 9470m. Attractively slim and lightweight, this 14-inch Ultrabook delivers an assortment of business-oriented features, including a fingerprint scanner, a smart-card slot, and a solid-state drive that boosts performance on any task involving retrieval of data from storage. The battery life, while not outstanding, should get you through a cross-country flight. U.K. accounting watchdog investigating Autonomy finances pre-HP deal
The U.K. Financial Reporting Council has launched a probe into Autonomy's financial reporting over a period of more than two years prior to its acquisition by Hewlett-Packard. HP slams Dell, plans to steal its customers
Just as Dell announced it had finalized its deal to go private, Hewlett-Packard came out swinging, criticizing its rival and declaring it's going after Dell's customers. Microsoft's loan to Dell certain to trigger more OEM angst, say analysts
Microsoft's $2 billion loan to Dell, one of its largest computer-making partners, will have an impact on how other OEMs view their Windows ecosystem collaborator, analysts said today. With buyout set, Dell needs to lay out PC strategy, analysts say
Dell's buyout deal should give the company renewed business flexibility and stealth but now buyers need to know if Dell will be in the PC market for the long haul. HP unveils ALM service that puts sticky notes in the cloud
Betting that it can help agile development teams finally rid themselves of messy hand-written sticky notes, Hewlett-Packard is launching a new hosted service focused on providing easily accessible application life-cycle management (ALM) capabilities from the cloud. HP ships Chromebook, looks beyond Windows laptops
Hewlett-Packard has announced the availability of its latest Pavilion laptop with Google's Chrome OS as the PC maker tries to improve laptop sales by offering an alternative to the Windows OS. HP to scale up TippingPoint network security with SDN
Hewlett-Packard plans to use its recently announced SDN controller to distribute its TippingPoint intrusion prevention system across networks, overcoming the scale limitations of dedicated appliances. Oracle loses appeal of ruling in HP suit
A court has rejected Oracle's appeal of a judge's ruling in the lawsuit Hewlett-Packard brought over Oracle's decision to stop porting its software to HP's Itanium server platform. HP's building an avatar to manage your mobile connections
Hewlett-Packard researchers are developing a cloud-based "avatar" to manage all of a user's mobile devices and wireless networks. Google stakes Pwnium hacking contest to $3.14M in potential prizes
Google today announced it would again host its Pwnium hacking contest at a March security conference, but boosted the maximum amount it will pay to $3.14 million and changed the target to the browser-based Chrome OS. Mobile apps are a priority in search of a leader
Traditional IT vendors aren't leading with software, and businesses aren't hiring mobile leaders, according an Appcelerator survey Pwn2Own hacking contest puts record $560K on the line
HP TippingPoint, the long-time organizer of the annual Pwn2Own hacking contest, has revamped the challenge for the second year running and will offer cash awards exceeding half a million dollars, more than five times the amount paid out last year. VA deploying millions of sensors to track, well, everything
The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) has begun installing millions of sensors on just about anything that costs more than $50. HP fends off Lenovo, reclaims PC crown
In its battle for the top spot in the rocky PC industry, Hewlett-Packard has edged out rival Lenovo to take back its leadership position. Microsoft keeps calm, issues emergency IE update
Microsoft today shipped an emergency update for Internet Explorer to stymie attacks that have been occurring since at least Dec. 7. HP launches converged cloud business unit
Banking on the trend toward cloud computing, Hewlett-Packard has created a stand-alone organization to oversee the company's hosted computing services and software offerings. HP barely maintains PC lead over Lenovo in Q4, says IDC
Despite a major push by rival Lenovo, Hewlett-Packard has held onto its position as the top seller of PCs worldwide, according to IDC. Windows 8 fails to lift the PC market in Q4
Microsoft's Windows 8 OS failed to provide a spark to PC sales during last year's fourth quarter, with worldwide unit shipments falling by 6.4 percent compared to the same quarter in 2011, according to research by IDC released on Thursday. HP reboots tablet strategy with ElitePad 900
Hewlett-Packard is rebooting its tablet strategy with the ElitePad 900, but faces challenges as it tries to overcome past tablet failures and deals with the slow adoption of the Windows 8 OS, analysts said. HP's touch Sleekbook cheaper alternative to ultrabooks
Hewlett-Packard has priced its new Pavilion Touchsmart Sleekbook laptop at $699, claiming it's the most affordable device in its category. HP cuts workforce by 5%, looks to probe GM hires
Hewlett-Packard reduced its workforce last year by 17,800 employees, more than half way to its restructuring goal. HP says it may sell assets that underperform
Hewlett-Packard will continue to evaluate potential divestitures of underperforming parts of its business, and the process could get messy, the company warned its investors in its annual 10-K document, which was filed in late December. HP confirms DOJ investigation into Autonomy acquisition
HP said in a legal filing Thursday that the U.S. Department of Justice is investigating its $10.3 billion acquisition of enterprise search company Autonomy, which HP alleges inflated its value through accounting tricks. Former executive convicted for LCD price fixing
A former executive at Taiwanese LCD marker AU Optronics has been convicted of participating in a worldwide conspiracy to fix the prices of LCD panels, the U.S. Department of Justice said. HP adds service virtualization tools
Hewlett-Packard has updated its service virtualization software, giving developers a broader palette upon which to test their programs. Hitachi, EMC and Fujitsu winners as storage market weakens
Growth in the storage market slowed down during the third quarter, but vendors such as Hitachi, EMC and Fujitsu still had a good three months thanks in part to sales of high-end systems. HP, telcos look to sell LANs on pay-per-use basis
Hewlett-Packard will allow enterprises to pay for managed LAN offerings based on usage, in much the same way they pay for cloud services, through a partnership with telecom service providers. Apple and Samsung are now top smart device makers
Apple and Samsung have emerged as the global kings of smartphones, tablets and PCs even though the two vendors have very different product and pricing strategies, IDC said Monday. External disk storage shipments surpass 7 exabytes in Q3
IDC today released its Disk Storage Tracker, showing steady growth in external storage systems worldwide for the third quarter. SMB is the Next Focus Area and Leverage for Growth: HP Vice President
Rajiv Srivastava, VP and GM at HP India, spoke to us about the company's position in the market, increasing focus on delivering cloud services, and roadmap for the SMB segment. HP brings tablet functionality to new laptop
Hewlett-Packard is bringing a twist to its business laptop design with the new EliteBook Revolve, which is the company's first Windows 8 touchscreen laptop that can double up as a tablet in some circumstances. Hewlett-Packard sues two display manufacturers for LCD price fixing damages
Hewlett-Packard has filed a complaint against display manufacturers Chunghwa Picture Tubes and Tatung Company of America, seeking to recover damages it claims it suffered as a result of their involvement in a price fixing scheme. HP's Whitman affirms commitment to Autonomy, stresses that HP remains 'quite profitable'
Hewlett-Packard CEO Meg Whitman has once again affirmed the company's commitment to its embattled Autonomy software division, stressing that HP's fiscal health is stronger than recent developments may have suggested. Autonomy founder Lynch unveils website, continuing public war with HP
Autonomy founder Mike Lynch has created a new website where he will apparently keep a running stockpile of his responses to Hewlett-Packard's allegations of accounting fraud at the vendor. HP upgrades converged storage portfolio
Hewlett-Packard Monday released three platform upgrades that include new models of its Converged Storage platform, its StoreAll data archive and StoreOnce backup appliances. HP's woes persist as Autonomy deal goes bad
Hewlett-Packard vows to 'aggressively' seek recompense for alleged fraud on the part of U.K. software vendor Autonomy, which HP acquired in a $10.3 billion deal last year. Wall Street Beat: Tech treads water as confidence wanes
News of weak server sales, continuing turmoil at Hewlett-Packard and the ongoing U.S. political impasse over the so-called "fiscal cliff" have not given tech industry watchers much to cheer about this week. In a symbolic shift, IBM's India workforce likely exceeds U.S.
It has been widely expected over the past year or two that IBM's India workforce was on track to exceed its U.S. workforce, if it hadn't exceeded it already.
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London law decides if Mike Lynch is a crook. Hewlett-Packard (NYSE:HPQ) gave evidence about its Autonomy allegations to the Serious Fraud Office (SFO) last month, it's emerged. The non-ministerial government department enforces the anti-fraud and -corruption criminal law in England, Wales, and Northern Ireland. In IT Blogwatch, stuff gets serious for Lynch and his former staff.
HP bets on Android and Chrome: What happens to Windows?
Long-time Microsoft partner HP is turning to Android and Chrome for new mobile devices. With one of its biggest partners looking to other operating systems in mobile, what does this mean for Microsoft?
The rise of Google's Chromebook army
An interesting thing is happening in the world of Google's Chrome OS -- and in many ways, it's reminiscent of the evolution we've seen in Android.
HP 14" Chromebook: Does size matter?
Does size matter? With its new 14-inch Chromebook, HP (NYSE:HPQ) thinks so. However, the HP Pavilion 14 Chromebook's bigger screen means heavier weight and poorer batter life. Also, it's the same actual resolution as its smaller competitors, so be prepared for blurrier images. But HP's entry into the rapidly-growing Chromebook market is another sign that this is a trend to watch in 2013. In IT Blogwatch, bloggers can see clearly now.
HP vs. Autonomy: FIGHT! Let's cut to the chase...
HP ain't happy about its 2011 Autonomy buy. Hewlett-Packard (NYSE:HPQ) accuses Autonomy's ex-management of selling it a pup, alleging dodgy accounting and other naughtiness. But there are two sides to every story—sometimes three. In IT Blogwatch, bloggers seek out all viewpoints.
Now THAT'S a help desk with standards
At this company, both desktop hardware and software are very standardized -- and the help desk has a standard way of dealing with non-standard machines.
HP's PC boss: Microsoft's Windows RT Surface tablet is "slow," "kludgy," and "expensive"
Microsoft partners have had less-than-kind things to say about the RT Surface tablet. And now HP PC honcho Todd Bradley has weighed in with the harshest criticism yet. He calls the tablet "slow," "kludgey" and "expensive."
HP warns consumers: Downgrade from Windows 8 to Windows 7 at your own risk, we won't support you
Those who buy HP Windows 8 PCs and decide they want to downgrade to Windows 7 are in for a shock: Consumers will be on their own if there are Windows-related problems on the machines, and HP won't offer support.
Microsoft Windows dominance fades as Apple beats HP, Canalys claims
As we wait for September's iPhone 5 comes news the Windows age is over, or could be, as the latest Canalys data says with inclusion of iPad sales, Apple is now the world's biggest PC vendor.
Huge HP layoff: Whitman to decimate troops
 HP will layoff around 10% of the company, according to two reports. Hewlett-Packard (NYSE:HPQ) is said to be readying 'massive' job cuts, focusing on expensive consulting staff. In IT Blogwatch, bloggers fear for their careers.
HP’s Officejet 8600: Really cheaper than laser?
Yes. And no. Rated at 1.6 cents per page, HP's Officejet 8600 series all-in-one inkjet printers could cost less to operate than a monochrome laser printer. But it could also cost much more. Here's why.
Apple, Google reach privacy deal, but is it enough?
Apple, Google, Microsoft and three other major tech firms have agreed to a deal which means in future apps on their platforms must "provide greater privacy disclosures". The deal's a move in the right direction, but is it enough?
LaserJet 1200: Adios, faithful friend
It outlived every other piece of equipment in my office. But after ten years and nearly 50,000 pages it's time it's time to look for a replacement for my HP LaserJet 1200. Can any new printer possibly measure up?
HP opens webOS; $99 TouchPad sale melts eBay; Android to benefit?
 HP (NYSE:HPQ) is open-sourcing webOS and the ENYO framework. Meanwhile, its latest $99 fire-sale of TouchPad tablets causes slowdowns on eBay. In IT Blogwatch, bloggers wonder if this means Android will gain some of webOS's unique features. Not to mention: What a Wonderful World...
Why an open source WebOS will help Windows Phone 7 and Windows 8 tablets
It's not clear what the effects will be of Hewlett-Packard's attempt to revive its dying WebOS by making it open source. But one thing is clear: The move won't hurt Windows Phone 7 or upcoming Windows 8 tablets, and may even help.
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